Losing salvation

Front Matter
Connections List
 * HS
 * Salvation
 * 1 John 2
 * TULIP (Calvinism)
 * 1 Peter 1
 * Ephesians 1
 * Election
 * Age of Accountability
 * Matthew 24
 * Mortal sin, apostasy
 * Core gospel - for tests if saved or not now

Scope
 * TULIP item Perseverance of the saints
 * also arguments for being able to lose slavation
 * For how to know if you're saved, see Core gospel

Topics
 * Mech/discussion/possible mechanisms
 * For perseverance
 * Know you are saved
 * Against perseverance
 * Ambiguous

Mech
DISCUSSION / possible mechanisms/explanations for perseverance Sanct Apostasy Lazy/Faithful Normal Salvation "Run as to win the prize" by John Shriner, stuff Calvinism, Heb 6+10, perseverance
 * 1 Cor 1:8 connect to 1 Thess 5:22-23 seems to be sanctification. In these though sanctification is promised.
 * 1 Peter 1:10 confirm calling/election via works/sanct
 * Heb 3:14, harden hearts. Heb 6 and 10.
 * It is possible that there is some categorical reward or change in experience for people who do not stray in a major way, possibly specifically in the end times.
 * End times (Matt 10:22, 24:12, Mk 13:13) followed by Matt parables on virgins, talents, and sheep and goats seems to indicate is a salvation issue.

FOR PERSEVERANCE

 * 1 John 2:19 their going showed that none of them belonged to us
 * in context of antichrists, so may be of less weight
 * "but you have an anointing from the Holy One" indicating HS is good measure


 * 1 Peter 1:5 you are sheilded through faith by God's power until the coming of salvation
 * Ephesians 1:13 marked with a seal which is the HS, guaranteeing our inheritance until the 2nd coming
 * 1 Cor 1:8 "He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ." cf 1 Thess 5:22-23. Also "strong to the end" like Matt 24:12.
 * 2 Cor 1:22 seal of ownership, guaranteeing Romans 11:29 God's gift and his call are irrevocable (Israel as a whole)
 * John 10:28-29 "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand."
 * Matt 7:23 "I never knew you" - apparent loss of salv, but never knew to begin with
 * John 6:37 "whoever comes to me I will never drive away

AGAINST PERSEVERANCE

 * Lutherans (at least Amundson grandparents) believe salvation can be lost at will
 * Matt 13:19 parable of seeds. Grow fast but weeds choke. Very arguable the meaning of this
 * Hebrews 6 and 10. Tasted the HS but rejects. Sin of apostasy.
 * Heb 3:14 "We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first."
 * 2 Pet 1:10 do everything to confirm your calling and election
 * Something about "Hells biggest secret" or something. Youtube series Jewish guy Sid Roth. interviews people with life/death experiences, show "It's supernatural". One lady was dragged to hell while "saved" and thinks she would have gone to hell if she died that day due to unforgiveness (a structural sin?) in her heart. Wrote book "hells biggest secret" or something. Need a link here. Sid Roth "It's supernatural"
 * Col 1:23 you will be presented blameless if you do not move from hope of gospel
 * 2 Pet 3:14 (soft) "Therefore, beloved, as you anticipate these things, make every effort to be found at peace—spotless and blameless in His sight."

AMBIGUOUS

 * 1 John 5:13-21 confusing