Problem of Evil

Connections List
 * Hosea Principle
 * Origin of evil
 * Against Christianity
 * Gave them over
 * Evil, Sin
 * No good without evil
 * Cursed World
 * Toleration
 * Def Good and Evil
 * God prevent sin
 * God allow evil
 * Pain
 * Creation Groans
 * Social Justice
 * Justice
 * Restoration

Scope
 * The general case, nonformal philosophical problem of evil.
 * Bin, more or less

Topics
 * Summarized argument
 * Some rebuttals (all are connections), many are interdependent and insufficient alone
 * Toleration, alternative to slaughter. He will eventually do Restoration
 * Testimony/demo (Cursed World, Creation Groans)
 * Allowance of freewill (Gave them over, ??)
 * Mechanic to aid salv, higher good (Hosea Principle)
 * Cannot good without evil (No good without evil, is false in most usage)
 * God is fighting evil, if you let him he will in and around you too

Informal, standard form
Argument is: This is not formal, there is technically no contradiction in terms. You'd need to break out what the terms mean.
 * God is Omniscient
 * God is Omnipotent
 * God is Omnibenevolent
 * Yet there is evil (contradiction)

Nathan's rough formalization
Rough formalization


 * "God" is the God you say exists
 * God knows all things
 * All things includes evil things
 * God is all powerful
 * All powerful includes the ability to prevent any evil thing
 * God is all-good
 * An all-good being would stop any evil it knew about and could stop
 * Evil exists
 * Therefore God does not exist

Contentions

 * The only point I really contend is the definition of all-good.
 * It is clear from the bible that e.g.
 * He allowed Assyria to dominate, and then later punished them for that act
 * The very act of excluding Adam and Eve from the garden is because they were unworthy. He did not destroy them
 * Toleration
 * What is Gods objective? Kind of messes with the definition of good and evil
 * Some also debate kinds of evil, levels of good and evil and so forth.

Other Stuff From C.S. Lewis problem of pain

 * pg 109 - the Christian and most others agree that poverty/pain is good (for JCs, it is edification, for else, they hate the rich) and also that it must be removed (bring shalom, humanitarian)