JC God

Connections List
 * JC
 * "Son of God"

Scope
 * JC is god, argumentation around this
 * Implications, metaphysics, stuff

Topics
 * Verses
 * Son of Man - particular
 * Verses against
 * Interesting things

Various texts for JC=God
 * John 1
 * John 8:58
 * Jeremiah 23:6 righteous branch, his name 'YWH our savior'
 * Jeremiah 33:16 righteous branch, his name 'YWH righteous'
 * Isaiah 40:3
 * Isaiah 9:6 messed up w/trinity
 * Zechariah 12:10
 * Matthew 26:64 Holy One (at trial)
 * Son of God (everywhere)
 * Jews trying to stone JC and he doesn't rebutt
 * Colossians 1
 * Col 2:9-10 in Christ fullness of deity, you have been given fullness in JC (same word) (could be used against JC to, since we=!JC)
 * Hebrews 1
 * (soft) Philippians 2:11
 * Ezra 14:9 Gods son is pre-existent
 * Messiah figure is pretty important, a singlar son of God rather than sons plural like kings

"Son of man"
 * Comes from Daniel 7:13-14, glorious ruler of all peoples
 * Comes from Ezekiel's life too, messenger to disobedient Israel
 * Jesus used singlar form, not Ezekiels plural

Various texts against JC=God
 * John 15 region - I only obey the Father
 * John 17:3 - that they may know you, the only true God
 * John 20:17 - don't worry Mary, I am ascending [soon] to your God and my God
 * 1 Cor 8:4-6 - only one God, the Father, only one Lord, the Son
 * JC referring to Father as "my God" (John 20:17, 1 Pet 1:3, Rev 3:12)

Interesting things v8 AO definitely Father (almighty). v11 definitely JC. Is AO in v11 legit? Most translations omit, but appears in Greek in biblos. Why omit? Definite connection if. Jamieson-Fausset-Brown comment says oldest manuscripts omit. Bengel's Gnomen (18th century Lutheran Pietist) - titles given before and after, not here. Latin and Greek translations and such, I think he concluded that it wasn't original but included because translators thought it was important. Hm? But AO appears again v17, bookending description of JC. I call it slam dunk. But they say same title applied to different rank ppl e.g. "apostle" to JC in Heb 3:1 My weak thought it 3:1 is only appearance of 'apostle' in Heb, may be using it a different way. But God probbles has homogenous bible, plus author may be Luke who uses apostle plenty of other times referring to humans. More poly titles - e.g. light of world = disciples, nebby = king of kings,
 * Rev 1:8,11 - See Mormon "Reasoning from the Scriptures"
 * Hebrews 2:10 God makes JC "perfect" or "complete" through suffering. The verse after it says "the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy" pushing it back towards "complete" and JC already holy.